{"id":47381,"date":"2021-11-12T09:59:10","date_gmt":"2021-11-12T15:59:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/anti-israeli-media-comic-creator-now-claim-punisher-logo-is-nazi-emblem\/"},"modified":"2021-11-12T09:59:10","modified_gmt":"2021-11-12T15:59:10","slug":"anti-israeli-media-comic-creator-now-claim-punisher-logo-is-nazi-emblem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/anti-israeli-media-comic-creator-now-claim-punisher-logo-is-nazi-emblem\/","title":{"rendered":"Anti-Israeli Media &#038; Comic Creator Now Claim Punisher Logo is Nazi Emblem"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> [ad_1]<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy lazy-hidden aligncenter wp-image-61340 size-large\" data-lazy-type=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/punisher-logo-1024x538.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"441\"  \/><\/p>\n<p><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-61340 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/1636734373_150_punisher-logo-1024x538.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"441\"  \/><\/noscript><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In the past year or more, the Punisher was attacked by the PC crowd for supposedly setting a bad example, due to Frank Castle\u2019s use of deadly force in the war on evil, and there were objections to the skull symbol being used by police and military officials. Now,\u00a0the very leftist weekly The Forward is doing something similar\u00a0when it comes to Israel, attacking use of such skull symbols by Israel Defense Forces and police officials. They start off by parroting something far from true:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Several Israeli soldiers and police officers have been spotted recently with a surprising emblem adorning their helmets or flak jackets:\u00a0<b>the skull worn by the Marvel comics character \u201cThe Punisher\u201d \u2013 and reminiscent of one used by the notorious Nazi-era S.S<\/b>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve argued before\u00a0that the symbol Frank Castle puts on his jumpsuits doesn\u2019t resemble the Totenkopf symbols, so it\u2019s quite loathsome to see this paper just going along in knee-jerk fashion, lecturing everybody that this is a literal nazi-symbol, and probably trying to make it look like law enforcers who believe in employment of lethal force to mete out justice are inherently wrong. They continue the propaganda angle:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>It was seen on the jacket of a soldier confronting a Palestinian man on Sept. 17 in the South Hebron Hills, part of the\u00a0<b>Israeli-occupied West Bank<\/b>. It was also spotted at a violent outbreak on the streets of Jaffa in May, during the war between Israel and Hamas\u00a0<b>militants<\/b>\u00a0in the Gaza Strip. And when an Israeli F-15 pilot was\u00a0interviewed this spring\u00a0on the British network Sky News, the emblem was in clear view.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And this is a confirmation the writers who put this together refuse to recognize the\u00a0validity of Judea\/Samaria\u00a0as Israeli land (that\u2019s why the \u201cwest bank\u201d propaganda was coined, to delegitimize it), so it\u2019s all a politically motivated article (note the use of the PC \u201cmilitants\u201d to water down the actual subject of terrorism), and as the following suggests, the paper\u2019s not writing this because they respect Stan Lee:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cThe Punisher,\u201d who\u00a0<b>appeared in various Marvel comics in the 1970s<\/b>, is Frank Castle, a former Marine\u00a0<b>whose wife and children were murdered by the mafia<\/b>. After a police cover-up, Castle embarks on an extensive campaign of vigilante justice (the character\u2019s creators also considered calling him the Assassin).<\/p>\n<p>Vigilante heroes are common in the world of comic books, but the Punisher is particularly brutal, and\u00a0<b>known for his love of weapons<\/b>. The skull he wears on his chest is derivative of the Totenkopf \u2013 German for \u201cdeath\u2019s head\u201d \u2013 that adorned the uniforms of the S.S. officers who guarded concentration camps during the Holocaust.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Again, as I noted, this is all a huge exaggeration to say it\u2019s based on Totenkopf, and come to think of it, they\u2019re not very accurate about how the Punisher debuted either. It was first in Spider-Man where he debuted in 1974, and about a year later, an origin was written up in one of Marvel\u2019s B&amp;W anthologies. And what\u2019s this about loving weapons? Does that mean all the western cowboys &amp; Indians, along with modern police and army officials \u201clove\u201d weapons as though it they were all lunatics? The article appears to be written by a contributor to Shomrim, a recent group dedicated to self-hating anti-Israeli propaganda, and that\u2019s certainly telling something. It goes on to claim the skull symbol\u2019s popular with right-wingers:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>After the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States, the Punisher gained renewed popularity among American law-enforcement officials and troops. Chris Kyle, a Navy SEAL who inspired Clint Eastwood\u2019s 2014 movie \u201cAmerican Sniper,\u201d wrote in his autobiography that members of his unit painted the emblem onto their personal equipment, vehicles and walls of places they would pass through. The symbol also showed up in Afghanistan.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe righted wrongs. He killed bad guys. He made wrongdoers fear him,\u201d Kyle wrote,\u00a0according to Time Magazine. \u201cWe spray-painted it on our Hummers and body armor, and our helmets and all our guns. We spray-painted it on every building or wall we could.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The release of \u201cAmerican Sniper\u201d further popularized the symbol among law enforcement, militias, gun advocates \u2013\u00a0<b>and neo-Nazis<\/b>. In 2017, Netflix produced an action series based on the Punisher (which starred the Jewish actor Jon Bernthal).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy lazy-hidden aligncenter size-full wp-image-61341\" data-lazy-type=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/the-punisher-full-trailer-header.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1038\" height=\"576\"  \/><\/p>\n<p><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-61341\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/1636734373_536_the-punisher-full-trailer-header.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1038\" height=\"576\"  \/><\/noscript><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p>The emblem\u00a0<b>is also identified with the Oath Keepers, a far-right group that calls on its followers to protect the United States from enemies both foreign and domestic, and urges them to refuse orders that it says are unconstitutional. The group claims many police officers and U.S. military veterans as members<\/b>.<\/p>\n<p>In Israel, the rapper, blogger,\u00a0<b>and right-wing political activist<\/b>\u00a0Yoav Eliasa \u2013 known by his stage name The Shadow \u2013 has also been photographed recently with the symbol on his sleeve, most recently during a photoshoot on the Gaza border with soldiers waving their weapons.<\/p>\n<p>[\u2026] Dr. Avner Wishnitzer, one of the founders of the\u00a0<b>Israeli anti-occupation group Combatants for Peace<\/b>, was in the South Hebron Hills on Sept. 17 trying to bring a water tank to one of the area\u2019s isolated Palestinian communities. He was arrested that day, and posted on the Combatants\u2019 Facebook page his shock at seeing the emblem on the Israel Defense Forces uniform.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis is an Israeli Army helmet carrying the Israeli flag \u2013 and a skull,\u201d he wrote. \u201cThe Israeli flag and a skull. What does it say that IDF soldiers choose to put such a symbol on their helmets?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Okay, this is telling more. A self-hater who believes Judea\/Samaria\u2019s an Islamic country and that \u201cpalestinians\u201d was never a name\u00a0coined by the Roman empire to invalidate Israel, but rather, a name for an Islamic community (some right-wingers in Israel stupidly make use of it too). And\u00a0Golda Meir, who refuted the propaganda in her time, is considered illegitimate by these ideologues and has long fallen out of favor with them. And Combatants for Peace is\u00a0yet another anti-Israeli movement\u00a0spreading more cliched libels against the land of Zion. I wouldn\u2019t be shocked if this was all planned by the paper in coordination with the movements themselves. Particularly irritating is the \u201cmoralist\u201d approach they\u2019re taking. By that logic, it\u2019d be wrong to use the color black for anything good.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Wishnitzer, a senior lecturer in the Department of Middle Eastern and African History at Tel Aviv University, said in a later interview that he and others arrested that day asked a female soldier wearing the emblem on her helmet about it, \u201cbut she didn\u2019t want to talk about it.\u201d He said they also asked other soldiers, who did not have the emblem, whether it bothered them to see the skull enmeshed with the Israeli flag, and \u201cthey told us they hadn\u2019t given it too much thought.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAs far as I am concerned, it\u2019s part of the dulling of the senses that happens when soldiers serve in the territories,\u201d Wishnitzer said. \u201cEven if they didn\u2019t fully understand the significance, and just thought it looked cool, the person who designed the insignia and then distributed it must surely have known.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEven if most of the soldiers don\u2019t understand the significance and the neo-Nazi overtones of the symbol,\u201d he continued, \u201ceveryone knows the connection between the skull-and-crossbones and death.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><b>No soldier or police officer who wears the symbol was interviewed for this article about why they chose to do it<\/b>. [\u2026]<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Well I think this is another reason to disregard this article as an abomination <strong>determined to make most Israelis look stupid<\/strong>. Besides, I figure some activist leftists would also wear it if they thought it wouldn\u2019t make them look bad. How do we know this wasn\u2019t distorted intentionally?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy lazy-hidden aligncenter wp-image-61342 size-large\" data-lazy-type=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/skull-crossbones-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"473\"  \/><\/p>\n<p><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-61342 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/1636734374_618_skull-crossbones-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"473\"  \/><\/noscript><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>These propagandists don\u2019t even bother to consider that over 2 centuries ago, there were Muslim pirates in the Barbary Coast who used the skull and crossbones, yet the left\u2019s helping the Religion of Peace despite all that?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Asked about the officer seen with the emblem at the Jaffa incident in May, a police spokesman, Chief Superintendent Yigal Habasor, said the sticker had been removed because it was not authorized, but shrugged off any thought of disciplining the officer who wore it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYou want us to take disciplinary action\u00a0<b>because of some sticker<\/b>? I think you\u2019re\u00a0<b>getting confused<\/b>,\u201d Habasor said.\u00a0<b>\u201cInstead of saluting an officer who protected civilians with his body, you\u2019re bothered by some symbol he was wearing. That\u2019s insane.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<p>The IDF Spokesperson\u2019s Unit, however, was more contrite, saying in a statement that soldiers are allowed to \u201cwear on their uniform only symbols that have been approved by the authorities,\u201d and that the Punisher emblem \u201chad not been approved by the Symbols Committee and is therefore not permitted.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>If this is so, it\u2019s regrettable they may be ordering removal of the symbol. But a valid point\u2019s made that the reporters involved are such ingrates, they can\u2019t at least thank them for defending innocent lives. Which is pretty much the MO of these far-leftists for ages already. And while this paper never interviewed any soldiers for input, they did quote a far-left activist by contrast:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Avner Gvriyahu,\u00a0<b>executive director of Breaking the Silence<\/b>\u00a0\u2013 a group of military veterans protesting Israel\u2019s treatment of Palestinians \u2013 said he began seeing \u201cthe insignia with the Totenkopf and the Israeli flag\u201d three years ago, and that it has \u201cbecome a lot more commonplace.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cJust today, a Palestinian friend who was crossing through the Bethlehem checkpoint, asked me if I know what it means, because she\u2019s seen it on a soldier\u2019s uniform,\u201d Gviryahu said in an interview in September. \u201cIt appears to me to be an attempt by front-line soldiers to intimidate people. As a soldier, you\u2019re thinking about how you go into a situation \u2013 face paint, masks and so on \u2013 and that symbol is a way of saying \u2018Wassah!\u2019\u201d (\u2018Wassah\u2019 is Israeli Army slang relating to the physical presence of a soldier.)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Well now things are getting a bit clearer. <em>Breaking the Silence<\/em> is\u00a0a rabid anti-Israel movement funded by European sources, which has spent years already spreading lies\u00a0for delegitimization of Israel. It\u2019s no wonder the article would be this skewed. It definitely compounds any negative viewpoint a sensible person could have of The Forward. A very distasteful paper they are, one producing only a negative view of Israel, devoid of any altruism. Based on the slapdash way they reference the Punisher\u2019s history, it\u2019s clear they\u2019re not fans of Frank Castle, or any other Marvel creations.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As if this article isn\u2019t disgusting enough, what a surprise, Conway himself took note:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><center><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">I give up.https:\/\/t.co\/zf1m40yadf <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/6EEEidzW7G\">pic.twitter.com\/6EEEidzW7G<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Gerry Conway Got the Shots and Lived (@gerryconway) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gerryconway\/status\/1457613367061856257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">November 8, 2021<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><\/center><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As the figure holding his head in shame makes clear, Conway\u2019s not proud, but disappointed, though I do wonder if he\u2019s even remotely troubled by how the faux-reporter parrots the propaganda about the skull. Gerry also said:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><center><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">As far as I was concerned at the time, the skull symbol was influenced by Lee Falk\u2019s \u201cThe Phantom\u201d skull ring and Skull Cave, as well as the old pirate Jolly Rodger.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Gerry Conway Got the Shots and Lived (@gerryconway) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/gerryconway\/status\/1457775510650384393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">November 8, 2021<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><\/center><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Well see, that\u2019s just it. The symbol was similar to what the Phantom had on his gear, not the Totenkoph designs. Besides, I\u2019m sure Stan Lee and company would\u2019ve been able to tell if they were using something inappropriate, and avoid using bad designs. Lee, lest we forget, did do army service, even if he wasn\u2019t in combat units proper, unlike folks such as Jack Kirby. Conway, who\u2019s long been known to shun his own creation, probably didn\u2019t. And since they mention cartoonist and playwright Falk,\u00a0he was Jewish himself, so are these leftists going to make him out to be one more stupid person who didn\u2019t know what he was dealing with? Let us be clear: that skull design for the Punisher \u2013 and the Phantom \u2013 is not based on National Socialist-designed imagery, and it\u2019s no more acceptable for the Forward to be perpetuating the bogus allegation than other US-based news sites that have done the same.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"lazy lazy-hidden aligncenter size-full wp-image-61343\" data-lazy-type=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/The-Phantom.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"650\" height=\"366\"  \/><\/p>\n<p><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-61343\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comicsunearthed.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/1636734375_950_The-Phantom.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"650\" height=\"366\"  \/><\/noscript><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>What The Forward published has got to be one of the most disrespectful, noxious articles of all time, and desecrates Stan Lee\u2019s memory along with much of the output he oversaw back in the day. But it\u2019s not a shock. Such papers have no true love of comicdom, nor do the anti-Israeli propagandists working in coordination with them.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12px;\"><em>Originally published here.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><!-- AI CONTENT END 2 --><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/>[ad_2]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad_1] \u00a0 In the past year or more, the Punisher was attacked by the PC crowd for supposedly setting a bad example, due to Frank Castle\u2019s use of deadly force in the war on evil, and there were objections to the skull symbol being used by police and military officials. Now,\u00a0the very leftist weekly The Forward is doing something similar\u00a0when it comes to Israel, attacking use of such skull symbols by Israel Defense Forces and police officials. 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